Comments on: Life after Parker: More proof that the times are changing http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2009/11/04/more-proof-that-the-times-are-changing/ A blog about the world of wine Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:13:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Kathy http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2009/11/04/more-proof-that-the-times-are-changing/comment-page-2/#comment-20106 Kathy Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:48:55 +0000 http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=4355#comment-20106 My 10 reasons for liking Steve's wine blog: 1. Parker trademarked his name "Robert Parker" in August (an addition, actually, as his full name was trademarked long ago). 2. This means that even if Bob retires, "Robert Parker" won't. 3. The 2009 Bordeaux vintage is, by very credible accounts very early in this game, fantastic. (I know, I saw, I picked, I talked, and you will see fruit/alcohol levels across the board you won't believe-and Americans will love.) 4. The US isn't the only Bordeaux market. 5. The US buyers did not buy in 97, 98, 99, 02, 04, 06, 07, and 08 - therefore their 09 allotments will be stingy to say the least. So, why not talk it down? They won't be able to supply it (with few exceptions such as K&L). The US is known among negociants as a "fair-weather friend" in Bordeaux. 6. Young Millennials pay attention to good wine, but can't afford to buy it yet. Millennial/X buy. (They can afford to cellar it. I have Gen X and Millennial kids and have written about Millennials). 7. It is the 60+ who are on the wane, they won't be around to cellar and drink it (unless the health care bill is approved by the Senate). 8. This is yet another fascinating blog, Steve (and all)! 9. "Parker has run out of points" is a quote that will have a very long shelf life. 10. I'm going to toast Parker tonight. He provides as much to wine as Johnny Depp does to women. (As a woman who likes wine, I'd prefer to drink it with Depp, though, regardless of the points). My 10 reasons for liking Steve’s wine blog:
1. Parker trademarked his name “Robert Parker” in August (an addition, actually, as his full name was trademarked long ago).
2. This means that even if Bob retires, “Robert Parker” won’t.
3. The 2009 Bordeaux vintage is, by very credible accounts very early in this game, fantastic. (I know, I saw, I picked, I talked, and you will see fruit/alcohol levels across the board you won’t believe-and Americans will love.)
4. The US isn’t the only Bordeaux market.
5. The US buyers did not buy in 97, 98, 99, 02, 04, 06, 07, and 08 – therefore their 09 allotments will be stingy to say the least. So, why not talk it down? They won’t be able to supply it (with few exceptions such as K&L). The US is known among negociants as a “fair-weather friend” in Bordeaux.
6. Young Millennials pay attention to good wine, but can’t afford to buy it yet. Millennial/X buy. (They can afford to cellar it. I have Gen X and Millennial kids and have written about Millennials).
7. It is the 60+ who are on the wane, they won’t be around to cellar and drink it (unless the health care bill is approved by the Senate).
8. This is yet another fascinating blog, Steve (and all)!
9. “Parker has run out of points” is a quote that will have a very long shelf life.
10. I’m going to toast Parker tonight. He provides as much to wine as Johnny Depp does to women. (As a woman who likes wine, I’d prefer to drink it with Depp, though, regardless of the points).

]]> By: steve http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2009/11/04/more-proof-that-the-times-are-changing/comment-page-2/#comment-19893 steve Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:18:47 +0000 http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=4355#comment-19893 Panos, he may remain profound in certain areas, but in other areas his influence is on the wane, including in California. Panos, he may remain profound in certain areas, but in other areas his influence is on the wane, including in California.

]]> By: Panos Kakaviatos http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2009/11/04/more-proof-that-the-times-are-changing/comment-page-2/#comment-19869 Panos Kakaviatos Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:00:52 +0000 http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=4355#comment-19869 Thanks for highlighting my article in decanter.com. I love blogs and wine bloggers and need to get my website in gear for that very purpose! But please the article should not be over-interpreted especially in terms of Parker points. Sure some experts may discount Parker's points, and I reported what they told me. But I doubt that Parker's "point influence" is waning all that much, if any. Just take a look at how prices of CndP in 2007 jumped after Parker's new scores - and this within the midst of a questionable economy... following also a string of good to excellent vintages in CndP since 1998 barring 2002, also with high scores. My personal opinion is that Parker scores still matter very much although he may have "overdone it" in 2008 in Bordeaux. As much as I liked the Haut Bailly 2008, to take one example, I would not have scored it as highly. Certainly Haut Brion is better in 2008. In any case, Parker's influence remains profound. Thanks for highlighting my article in decanter.com. I love blogs and wine bloggers and need to get my website in gear for that very purpose! But please the article should not be over-interpreted especially in terms of Parker points. Sure some experts may discount Parker’s points, and I reported what they told me. But I doubt that Parker’s “point influence” is waning all that much, if any. Just take a look at how prices of CndP in 2007 jumped after Parker’s new scores – and this within the midst of a questionable economy… following also a string of good to excellent vintages in CndP since 1998 barring 2002, also with high scores. My personal opinion is that Parker scores still matter very much although he may have “overdone it” in 2008 in Bordeaux. As much as I liked the Haut Bailly 2008, to take one example, I would not have scored it as highly. Certainly Haut Brion is better in 2008. In any case, Parker’s influence remains profound.

]]> By: Gregg Burke http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2009/11/04/more-proof-that-the-times-are-changing/comment-page-2/#comment-19757 Gregg Burke Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:09:27 +0000 http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=4355#comment-19757 Larry, I agree with you, the methodology needs to advance. I do not see this as a condemnation of critics, I see this as the entry to a new conversation on how wines are evaluated. Steve, Parker is not dead, like lazerous he will come back from the dead. Once our economy is hummimg again and people shake off the fear they will start spending stupid amounts of money on wines he deems 95 points. His will be a slow fade not a sudden implosion. Cheers, Gregg Larry,
I agree with you, the methodology needs to advance. I do not see this as a condemnation of critics, I see this as the entry to a new conversation on how wines are evaluated.
Steve,
Parker is not dead, like lazerous he will come back from the dead. Once our economy is hummimg again and people shake off the fear they will start spending stupid amounts of money on wines he deems 95 points. His will be a slow fade not a sudden implosion.
Cheers,
Gregg

]]> By: David Sawyer http://www.steveheimoff.com/index.php/2009/11/04/more-proof-that-the-times-are-changing/comment-page-2/#comment-19706 David Sawyer Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:04:07 +0000 http://www.steveheimoff.com/?p=4355#comment-19706 I'm a "Millennial" and I personally got into wine seriously due to a gift subscription to the WA. At first I followed points religiously but now not so much. My non-wine enthusiast friends? They follow points blindly and fully. Maybe you should go to a Costco and see who is buying cheap, highly rated wine from WA and WS. The point system is embedded in my generation's psyche more so than you think. Also, the reason the 2008 vintage isn't moving has nothing to do with Parker. That was just a stupid conclusion and I think anyone can figure out the real reason by reading the newspaper. If not for Parker's high opinion of 2008, I think the wines would be selling much much less. Just stirring the sh*t on your part, nothing more. I’m a “Millennial” and I personally got into wine seriously due to a gift subscription to the WA. At first I followed points religiously but now not so much. My non-wine enthusiast friends? They follow points blindly and fully. Maybe you should go to a Costco and see who is buying cheap, highly rated wine from WA and WS. The point system is embedded in my generation’s psyche more so than you think.

Also, the reason the 2008 vintage isn’t moving has nothing to do with Parker. That was just a stupid conclusion and I think anyone can figure out the real reason by reading the newspaper. If not for Parker’s high opinion of 2008, I think the wines would be selling much much less. Just stirring the sh*t on your part, nothing more.

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